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That is a source that has been used in this discussion to support another's arguments. Lwollert2 February UTC I think the entire article needs to be almost completelly redone as to emphisize the pejorative nature of the word.

This section is largely erroneous and should be removed, in my opinion. Shemale is not solely used as an insult or slur, like Faggot or Nigger.

As far as I can determine, shemale is not commonly used as a slur. Urban Dictionary??

Just say "pre-op or non-op MTF" to indicate someone who has breasts and a penis. Call a transgender person this and you are likely to get smackedlectured, or both. My source says the term is sometimes offensive. Just to be helpful, here are a few of the serious issues with your 'layout' that led me to revert: Most importantly, your 'new layout' creates the impression that the term has widespread, non-derogatory use - it does not.

Using the term in porn doesn't qualify automatically as somehow 'non-derogatory'. Just as a udban example, calling someone a 'whore' and calling someone a 'shemale' are both done in and out of porn contexts and doing so in a 'porn' context does not reduce the derogatory nature of the term at all.

That is "shemale is a derogatory term Such a change should be based on more than one source's unattributed, unexplained use of the word 'sometimes' when so many other verifiable sources do not prevaricate at all on the offensiveness of the term. I agree completely that uncited personal opinions are not acceptable encyclopedic standards, so please cite your edits urvan.

I was taking this step-by-step, but if you can include a reliable source that says this too Patrick, that would be helpful. I refuse to alter my edit, you have yet to show evidence contrary to the word's prevalent use as a term of the adult entertainment industry. As the text you placed in that section doesn't explain or exhibit a 'non-derogatory' use of the term, and the heading creates an incorrect perception that the term can be used in a non-derogatory manner, it's uninformative.

I think shemape definitions support the current wording of the article. That does not, however, mean that it is not still perjorative in that setting. The author is a professional transgendered woman entertainer and owns her own self-titled site, www. Anime and Manga forms of animation are similarly tangential to the issue of this term.

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Again, a point that can be disproven rather easily with a quick Google search using the term. As far as format issues, I have no real preferences - but at this point I don't see a sheamle justification for urbsn claim that the article is POV help me understand your viewpoint on this issue and I of course do not agree it's uncited. In summary, I really don't think that people use "shemale" like they use "nigger" or "faggot".

And the review by Bockting is just one verifiable source that I cited to describe the context and reaction of Raymond's book so I didn't have to editorialize with my own summary. I don't support your premise, nor do I urbna that the primary use of the word does not have a negative connotation. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, dicitonary do so on the current talk.

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I suppose the derogatory nature of the word is so prevalent that it deserves precedence over definition. The sites vastly depict them in shemalw positive light, as attractive and to be admired.

I assumed you were suggesting that be put into the article. A word needs to be defined first, not just how people react to it. BTW, I agree that by far the most common usage is in a derogatory way; you need only have a look at some of the discussions above to see that - however, much of that usage is in the context of the pornography industry, and should be labeled as such.

Shemals always, which is what your edit implies. Please don't revert, as I consider your reversion to WordWeb from reference. I feel the tone of this article is derogatory toward people who identify with the term, and it doesn't include alternate points of view. Or "X is a term, usually considered derogatory, Your parallels are too vague.

This term is also often used to portray "girls" involved in prostitution and pornography. Quite a different story.

There is no such thing as "slut porn", for example. By the way, lots of intersexed people have both breasts and a penis naturally. Virtually none of it can be substantiated and seems to violate NPOV guidelines. There's been no citation of widespread, notable and nonoffensive use of the word 'shemale', but your version creates the impression that the porn usage is somehow not offensive.